Psychology behind breast fetishism

[james cruse]

Not a psychologist, not done any research, blah blah blah disclaimers to avoid people assuming I'm talking fact when I'm merely hypothesising via my own life experiences. Armchair psychology etc.

First we have to accept that humans as a species have a more fractured sexuality than most animals do. Rule of thumb in the animal kingdom is that animals look for a specific criteria in a mate, be it a visual indicator such as a plumage, a verbal signal like a mating call, a scent or some action a female may make to indicate to a male that they are willing to mate. But humans are different, we don't have one singular rule of attraction (or even one for each gender). There are heterosexual men who are aroused by small breasts, men who are aroused by large breasts, and men for whom breasts don't even factor into arousal, and it's all about the butt, hips, legs or feet, as well as men for whom looks don't matter so much as an accepted paraphernalia like bondage, the sound of someone's voice, or certain outfits. Two heterosexual males can look for very different things in an effort to find a mate.

Then secondly, in order to explain an attraction to big breasts, we have to accept that no human is born sexually ready, that sexual development occurs over time, and with that comes the development and growth of breasts. I believe that, for many people, an attraction to breasts is precisely because it's one of the more obvious visual indicators that a female is now able to reproduce. This, I think, is true of all breast attraction, even the men who like AA_cups are likely drawn to the differentiation in how an adult females nipples look. This is why the average woman isn't completely flat chested, even if there's no practical reason to have large breasts - it's to display that they are sexually mature.

Now different people will view attraction to big boobs in different ways. For some, it's the size and the shape, often in conjunction with other features of the women (i.e. the attraction to purely slim & stacked versus attraction to plus sized women), for others it's purely the size, for others still sag will play a part as an indicator of age (keeping in mind that human females enter into a state later in life where they can no longer reproduce - sagging can be viewed as indicative of an older mate and therefore a reduced timeframe to successfully reproduce).

This, I think, is why we're drawn to bigger breasts, because we've made the unconscious connection that breast size is either directly or indirectly correlated to a woman's sexual maturity. A woman with J cups is seen as more sexually mature than a woman with G cups. Of course, biologically speaking this is false, a woman can be sexually mature and be as flat as an ironing board, but this is how it is understood by big breast fetishists.

We fundamentally are drawn to big boobs because we think the woman who has them is most likely to be fully sexually mature, and thus our best chances of a viable mating partner to reproduce with.

These questions have been answered in my post above. The research has been done.
Liking big breasts is not a fetish, nor is liking big asses and small waists.
It’s not something you develop based on your experiences, your culture or kinks or bizarre things that happen in your life, it’s natural.
Have a read.

 

[surplusexistance]

These questions have been answered in my post above. The research has been done.
Liking big breasts is not a fetish, nor is liking big asses and small waists.
It’s not something you develop based on your experiences, your culture or kinks or bizarre things that happen in your life, it’s natural.
Have a read.

If it were natural, it would be something everyone (or at least every straight male) was into. But the majority simply aren't. How else do you explain people who state things like "more than a handful is a waste" unironically? Furthermore, how do you explain the fact that many of the men on this very forum simply aren't drawn to small-tit or even normal porn? The majority can not be abnormal.

So many guys here are looking specifically for the biggest boobs possible, well beyond the average of the typical woman, and are looking for porn that must include big breasts to be able to get off because it's the breasts they are getting off to, not the person. Needing an external paraphernalia is the very definition of a fetish, and just because that paraphernalia is an exaggerated form of a normal body part does not make it less valid as a fetish.

 

[MrBoobieMan03]

Quite frankly, I think the analysis of the so called "experts" is bullshit.

And when I read all of the nonsense about evolution, science, and primates...i think, BULLSHIT.

I offer a more basic, simple approach to the question...the answer is simple; we dont know.

There are degrees to EVERYTHING in life...there are degrees of pain, pleasure, punishment, taste, attraction, hunger, thirst, likes, dislikes, etc.

Now, most men appreciate breasts, to SOME degree. The question that separates the men from the boys is, to WHAT degree?

But the question of "what" degree is a entirely separate than "why that degree, and not another degree".

So guys that have breasts fetishes, we tend to appreciate breasts much more than the average person. But the question of why cannot be answered...and appealing to damn evolution doesn't answer the question.

 

[james cruse]

If it were natural, it would be something everyone (or at least every straight male) was into. But the majority simply aren't. How else do you explain people who state things like "more than a handful is a waste" unironically? Furthermore, how do you explain the fact that many of the men on this very forum simply aren't drawn to small-tit or even normal porn? The majority can not be abnormal.

So many guys here are looking specifically for the biggest boobs possible, well beyond the average of the typical woman, and are looking for porn that must include big breasts to be able to get off because it's the breasts they are getting off to, not the person. Needing an external paraphernalia is the very definition of a fetish, and just because that paraphernalia is an exaggerated form of a normal body part does not make it less valid as a fetish.

I see what you’re saying but I don’t think you did read my post carefully.

The researchers concluded that ANY breasts (larger than flat that is) constitute what appears to be a mammal (woman) that is ovulating. That appearance is to men AND women.
This is an INSTINCTUAL response, not a fetish. Instinctual means it’s hardcoded in our genes, and therefore our limbic system responses.

So yes, men saying they don’t NEED big breasts may be telling the truth - but do you ever hear someone saying, “I like women as flat as a board” - no.

The larger the breasts, the more obvious that the women is ovulating and/or in heat and ready for sex, the same as per our primate ancestors.

This principle also applies to women’s asses/posterior aswell, the bigger the posterior (and thinner the waist), the more obvious that women is ovulating or in heat and ready for sex.

The same can be applied to women’s hair - the longer the better. Why? Because only very healthy, youthful and fertile women can grow their hair down to their waist and it be shiny and lustrous at the same time. That’s why men like women with very long healthy hair - it’s a very obvious fertility signal.

This is all very simply explained by the research.

 

[james cruse]

Quite frankly, I think the analysis of the so called "experts" is bullshit.

And when I read all of the nonsense about evolution, science, and primates...i think, BULLSHIT.

I offer a more basic, simple approach to the question...the answer is simple; we dont know.

There are degrees to EVERYTHING in life...there are degrees of pain, pleasure, punishment, taste, attraction, hunger, thirst, likes, dislikes, etc.

Now, most men appreciate breasts, to SOME degree. The question that separates the men from the boys is, to WHAT degree?

But the question of "what" degree is a entirely separate than "why that degree, and not another degree".

So guys that have breasts fetishes, we tend to appreciate breasts much more than the average person. But the question of why cannot be answered...and appealing to damn evolution doesn't answer the question.

Yes we do know - did you actually read the post?
Men are attracted to fertility & ovulation cues.
Breasts & asses on women are ovulation cues.
The bigger the breasts and asses - the bigger and more obvious the ovulation cues (up close or from a distance).

Young perky round breasts = Fertility cues (perky/round) + Ovulation cue (breasts/large)
Big full breasts = Fertility cue (big - need lots of youthful hormones & estrogen to grow) + ovulation cues (just having breasts).

That’s a little more simple for you. If you want more info - you can actually read the full post above.

 

[MrBoobieMan03]

Yes we do know - did you actually read the post?
Men are attracted to fertility & ovulation cues.
Breasts & asses on women are ovulation cues.
The bigger the breasts and asses - the bigger and more obvious the ovulation cues (up close or from a distance).

Young perky round breasts = Fertility cues (perky/round) + Ovulation cue (breasts/large)
Big full breasts = Fertility cue (big - need lots of youthful hormones & estrogen to grow) + ovulation cues (just having breasts).

That’s a little more simple for you. If you want more info - you can actually read the full post above.

Or, I can read the post and reject it, as I already did. It is bunch of bio-babble.

"Men are attracted to fertility & ovulation cues".

Bullshit.

What if I have no desire whatsoever to have children? That would make a woman's fertility/ovulation pretty damn irrelevant, wouldn't it?

But it wouldn't deter me from wanting to suck her tits, would it? No, it wouldn't.

When I go on titty hunts or am watching titty
porn, Im not giving a damn about no fertility or ovulation.

You cant get inside a person's mind and scientifically explain why he likes or dislikes certain things. There is just no correlation.

All you can do is speculate, which is fine...but when you try to turn your speculation into some brute scientific fact, that is where things tend to get a bit...flaky, to say the least.

 

[james cruse]

Or, I can read the post and reject it, as I already did. It is bunch of bio-babble.

"Men are attracted to fertility & ovulation cues".

Bullshit.

What if I have no desire whatsoever to have children? That would make a woman's fertility/ovulation pretty damn irrelevant, wouldn't it?

But it wouldn't deter me from wanting to suck her tits, would it? No, it wouldn't.

When I go on titty hunts or am watching titty
porn, Im not giving a damn about no fertility or ovulation.

You cant get inside a person's mind and scientifically explain why he likes or dislikes certain things. There is just no correlation.

All you can do is speculate, which is fine...but when you try to turn your speculation into some brute scientific fact, that is where things tend to get a bit...flaky, to say the least.

This is not speculation - it’s fact. It’s the same response in ALL male animals and male humans - they respond instinctually to fertility and ovulation cues in females. This is very basic science. Not responding to ovulation and fertility cues would be unusual.
You are saying you don’t want to INTENTIONALLY and CONSCIOUSLY have children or impregnate anyone. I don’t want to either, right now and that’s the same for alot of people.
But not wanting to consciously have children is different to hardcoded unconsious biology for mating - which every human has.
The drive to mate with a fertile and ovulating woman is an unconsious drive - we’re not aware of the reasons. It’s a primal desire in our body - which allows the human species to continue by way of sex and possible impregnation.
Again, very simple biology.
It seems odd that when presented with obvious facts that apply to all animals and humans that you say we don’t know - yes we do.

 

[masterj]

I literally liked huge tits ever since I was little. HBO and Cinemax did a lot lol. Then the internet started and it was all uphill from there. I'm 33.

 

[masterj]

Pamela Anderson, Nicole Smith, and Shae marks did it for me especially when she was in day of the warrior.

 

[surplusexistance]

So yes, men saying they don’t NEED big breasts may be telling the truth - but do you ever hear someone saying, “I like women as flat as a board” - no.

I suggest you expand your social circle, because these people definitely exist. How else would subreddits like /r/AA_cups and /r/tinytits have hundreds of thousands of subscribers? They're clearly not interested in women who have any sort of mammalian breast fullness as an indicator of ovulation. So are these people the ones with the fetish? And if so, why do those who like only the earliest part of the bell curve of breasts size exist as a fetish when those of us who appreciate the furthest end of the same bell curve- the part where many "normal" people say "that's too big to be sexy" - are not a fetish, even when we are so primarily focused on the breasts in our masturbation and sex lives, more so than those whose tastes fit the middle part of the bell curve?

 

[james cruse]

I suggest you expand your social circle, because these people definitely exist. How else would subreddits like /r/AA_cups and /r/tinytits have hundreds of thousands of subscribers? They're clearly not interested in women who have any sort of mammalian breast fullness as an indicator of ovulation. So are these people the ones with the fetish? And if so, why do those who like only the earliest part of the bell curve of breasts size exist as a fetish when those of us who appreciate the furthest end of the same bell curve- the part where many "normal" people say "that's too big to be sexy" - are not a fetish, even when we are so primarily focused on the breasts in our masturbation and sex lives, more so than those whose tastes fit the middle part of the bell curve?

Whatever you’re saying about men likeing small breasts - they’re still protruding breasts - those breasts (AA cup & tiny tits) are larger than the the non-ovulating apes, monkeys and primates, which have no protrusion at all.
So, this argument doesn’t hold up.

Liking larger breasts more than “normal” sized breasts is just an extension of like any breasts, it’s not a fetish.
Humans like things that are larger than normal or more obvious (as long as it doesn’t actually damage people or cause ill health), like in the case of larger breasts or longer hair or bigger ass or smaller waist.

Is there a reason some of you are so opposed to understanding the very certain science of why men (and all primates also) are attracted to breasts?

 

[surplusexistance]

Is there a reason some of you are so opposed to understanding the very certain science of why men (and all primates also) are attracted to breasts?

Put simply, the reason I am struggling with the idea that this is the "definitive" answer is because it does not at all explain the massive discrepancy. Your answer only explains why people attracted to women find breasts to be an erogenous zone. It doesn't at all explain anything about size or shape preference.

You're here on a forum dedicated to women with big tits. Are you attracted to any of the women whose images are posted in either of those subreddits? Do you find women with AA cups attractive? Do you think the men who desire to get off to those flat chested women look at women with GG cups and are equally or more turned on?

This is where I see the fundamental disconnect between your answer and any other answer. You've only explained why people find boobs attractive, you've not explained why some like smaller than average and others like as big as possible, and indeed, the only way to explain it within your proposed idea that men are drawn to a larger breast size due to it showing that a woman is ready to bare children, is to suggest that those into flat chests are fetishists, while those of us drawn to the sizes most men say "... are a waste" aren't fetishists. So why do we not have a fetish when we need a much larger size and can't get off to women who are average (which varies depending where you live)?

To put it bluntly. If big breasts are not a fetish, why does seeing a five minute video of someone like Abbi Secraa just mindlessly playing with her tits do more to get me going than a fifteen minute video of someone with a C cup doing full masturbation?

Human sexuality is far more complicated than the base biology of "this body part developing is a sign of ovulation", and I simply cannot accept the notion that all there is to human sexuality (at least in so far as for those attracted to women) is looking for ovulation indicators. This is why I continue to state that an attraction to big boobs is a fetish - because it is not something shared by every straight male, and yet for those that have it, it is a pre-requisite for them to be able to get off. After all body parts very much can be fetishes, or do you not think a foot fetish is a thing?

Your theory does not answer any of these questions. All it does is suggest why the average man is attracted to breasts, not why people like you or I, or anyone else reading this, is drawn to the massive sizes that we are drawn to. Until it does, I cannot accept that attraction to big breasts is anything but a fetish.

 

[james cruse]

Put simply, the reason I am struggling with the idea that this is the "definitive" answer is because it does not at all explain the massive discrepancy. Your answer only explains why people attracted to women find breasts to be an erogenous zone. It doesn't at all explain anything about size or shape preference.

You're here on a forum dedicated to women with big tits. Are you attracted to any of the women whose images are posted in either of those subreddits? Do you find women with AA cups attractive? Do you think the men who desire to get off to those flat chested women look at women with GG cups and are equally or more turned on?

This is where I see the fundamental disconnect between your answer and any other answer. You've only explained why people find boobs attractive, you've not explained why some like smaller than average and others like as big as possible, and indeed, the only way to explain it within your proposed idea that men are drawn to a larger breast size due to it showing that a woman is ready to bare children, is to suggest that those into flat chests are fetishists, while those of us drawn to the sizes most men say "... are a waste" aren't fetishists. So why do we not have a fetish when we need a much larger size and can't get off to women who are average (which varies depending where you live)?

To put it bluntly. If big breasts are not a fetish, why does seeing a five minute video of someone like Abbi Secraa just mindlessly playing with her tits do more to get me going than a fifteen minute video of someone with a C cup doing full masturbation?

Human sexuality is far more complicated than the base biology of "this body part developing is a sign of ovulation", and I simply cannot accept the notion that all there is to human sexuality (at least in so far as for those attracted to women) is looking for ovulation indicators. This is why I continue to state that an attraction to big boobs is a fetish - because it is not something shared by every straight male, and yet for those that have it, it is a pre-requisite for them to be able to get off. After all body parts very much can be fetishes, or do you not think a foot fetish is a thing?

Your theory does not answer any of these questions. All it does is suggest why the average man is attracted to breasts, not why people like you or I, or anyone else reading this, is drawn to the massive sizes that we are drawn to. Until it does, I cannot accept that attraction to big breasts is anything but a fetish.

I don’t think you read some of my responses to this same question above as to why men like larger or smaller breasts.

The answer is: males like ovulation and fertility signals.

The bigger the signal (breasts/ass/length of hair/hips/lips etc.) the more desirable and attractive the signal.

It’s the same thing with women - alot of women like guys as tall as possible and the rest just want men that are abit taller than them. Some of them REQUIRE a man that is very very very tall and other don’t REQUIRE that, but 99% of them want that.

It’s the same with these signals. Alot of men say that they don’t require a woman with large breasts but are still brry much turned on by very large breasts.
The problem is: men lie.
Men say they like smart women. When a female researcher tested this theory by actually having men who said they like smart women, those men in fact, didn’t like smart women when they met them in person.
Another male researcher came along and did another study - he asked all the men that said they like “smart/intelligent women” to describe the qualities they wan in “smart/intelligent women”. Lo and behold, those men actually didn’t want “smart women”, they actually really wanted women who are “conscientious” but used the wrong catchall phrase in “smart”.

The point is, there are plenty of men that say “I don’t need big tits” or “more than a handful is a waste” but then drool over women with large breasts. I know this because I know guys like that and they froth at the mouth every time my chesty girlfriends wore low cut tops around them, they couldn’t think straight.

It’s why big chested women get famous and become multi-millionaires just for being somewhat attractive with great breasts (look at Emily Ratajkowski - got famous and became millionaires solely for their great big tits, neither of them are that great looking).

Any time any woman with overly large breasts goes out anywhere, most people look at them and their breasts. I know this because I’ve had girlfriends with very big tits that are slim. Men and women stare at them. Men are aroused and women are jealous and resentful. This is a really common phenomenon.
The bigger the breasts or bigger the ass (moreso breasts in Western countries), the more attention they get because it’s a sexual signal so easily seen, even from a distance.

I understand alot of people want to make that argument that humans are very complex and hard to understand etc, but we’re really not when it comes to mating.
Alot of people want to deny these simple truths but large breasts on women are universally attractive in all human cultures.

 

[livoneman]

Sounds like a movie the late Anna Nicole Smith did called Skyscraper. Was it from the 90s?

The same movie came to mind 🙂 (pic1). On topic: I used to be a big/huge breast fetishist, then I turned into a ratio fetishist. For me it doesn't matter how big they are, it's how they are proportioned as compared to the rest of the body, especially the belly (e.g. I totally love Cleopatra_bigboobs - pic2, Scarlett_boobs - pic3, Erkos - pic4, Alexisblac - pic5). Psychology: I guess it has to do with the heavenly experience of getting breastfed, as well as with DNA.

 

[surplusexistance]

I don’t think you read some of my responses to this same question above as to why men like larger or smaller breasts.

The answer is: males like ovulation and fertility signals.

I don't think I'm going to convince you otherwise, you're stuck in a perpetual loop where you think me not agreeing with you is the same thing as me not listening to you.

The reason myself and other people are disagreeing with your take that it's all down to evolutionary biology from primates is because we all have had experiences that run counter to that. Every person here can attest that something like a C cup is not enough for us, yet equally we all knows guys who have stated that old adage "more than a handful is a waste" and meant it. Your only defence for that is "guys lie", which is a great way to dismiss any notion of the sort.

This also doesn't explain why thousands of people are subscribed to subreddits for women with the smallest possible tits. Likewise, if men are lying about their preferences to other people, how the fuck does any flat chested woman get any action of any kind? Also, why is it when there's any survey of thousands of men about the most attractive women it's always some small chested Hollywood actress? If all men actually want big tits, wouldn't there be more emphasis on padded tops? Why do adverts that rely on sex appeal to sell not use bustier women?

It just does not add up. If it was really true that bigger breasts indicate fertility, and every man loves the biggest breasts possible, we would see a lot more big breasted women in advertising. Women like Tessa Fowler and Leanne Crow would make a fortune advertising everything from men's deodorant to beer to cars.

Yes, there probably is something in DNA of an average man looking at an average pair of C cups and going "yep, that woman's fertile. I should try to mate with her for a successful chance at reproduction", even if he is not consciously aware of it. But that alone cannot and does not explain it. Can you honestly tell me that you, a member of this big boob community can look at some C cups like these and actually get off to it? If so, congrats, because for me at least, there's simply not enough boob there to find it arousing, even though she's clearly developed and likely fertile.

 

[james cruse]

I don't think I'm going to convince you otherwise, you're stuck in a perpetual loop where you think me not agreeing with you is the same thing as me not listening to you.

The reason myself and other people are disagreeing with your take that it's all down to evolutionary biology from primates is because we all have had experiences that run counter to that. Every person here can attest that something like a C cup is not enough for us, yet equally we all knows guys who have stated that old adage "more than a handful is a waste" and meant it. Your only defence for that is "guys lie", which is a great way to dismiss any notion of the sort.

This also doesn't explain why thousands of people are subscribed to subreddits for women with the smallest possible tits. Likewise, if men are lying about their preferences to other people, how the fuck does any flat chested woman get any action of any kind? Also, why is it when there's any survey of thousands of men about the most attractive women it's always some small chested Hollywood actress? If all men actually want big tits, wouldn't there be more emphasis on padded tops? Why do adverts that rely on sex appeal to sell not use bustier women?

It just does not add up. If it was really true that bigger breasts indicate fertility, and every man loves the biggest breasts possible, we would see a lot more big breasted women in advertising. Women like Tessa Fowler and Leanne Crow would make a fortune advertising everything from men's deodorant to beer to cars.

Yes, there probably is something in DNA of an average man looking at an average pair of C cups and going "yep, that woman's fertile. I should try to mate with her for a successful chance at reproduction", even if he is not consciously aware of it. But that alone cannot and does not explain it. Can you honestly tell me that you, a member of this big boob community can look at some C cups like these and actually get off to it? If so, congrats, because for me at least, there's simply not enough boob there to find it arousing, even though she's clearly developed and likely fertile.

You can disagree with the science all you want, it’s been proven that human men (and other animal males) want fertility & ovulation signals.

What you’re doing is hiding behind a tiny exception - that a tiny fraction of men like women with zero tits. The amount of men that like zero tits is something like 0.01% of the total heterosexual male population.

Secondly, yes you’re not understanding. Like breasts and liking big breasts is the same mechanism.
What we do here is PRIORITISE large breasts as opposed to some men who prioritises other fertility or ovulation signals.

Like, there are tons of guys that LOVE huge tits but they don’t need them in a woman they like, they would rather a girl with a pretty and symmetrical face with light hair (fertility signals) who is also tall.
They would like that girl to have a large chest but you can’t get everything - at some point men do have to lower their standards, even people here on this board.

Most people here want a slim girl with huge tits but will NEVER be able to pull a girl like that with a suitable or pleasant personality.
Why? Because girls with huge tits, who are young with flat stomachs, slim waists, attractive symmetrical faces and great personalities are really rare and in high demand from high quality guys, therefore they’re difficult to end up dating and being with.
So what do alot of the guys here do? They SETTLE for fat girls with big tits or end up with a normal girl that has a good personality and slightly larger than normal tits or something similar and then FANTASIZE about girls with large tits.

The point is: MEN AND WOMEN SETTLE FOR THE BEST THEY CAN GET WHEN IT COMES TO MATING.
A man is can only get women as good as his options will allow.

The reason that alot of men say they don’t mind this or that is because they prioritise other things they want in women first. These other things most men also want, but we can’t have it all so we prioritise what we want most.

So what you’re referring to is men PRIORITISING a certain attribute or SETTLING for a certain attribute because they can’t do better.

To answer your question about why more busty women aren’t acting or famous or whatever:
Acting isn’t an easy job. It requires alot of skill, practice and some connections and luck.
Very Busty women are uncommon + acting being difficult = therefore that’s why there’s so few busty talented actresses.

When it comes to mens magazines and models that men look at, the bulk of them are busty.

The most popular nude model in the world for 5 years was Keeley Hazell (UK) - why? She had beatiful big tits.
The most popular song film clip ever - Blurred Line. Why? Emily Ratajkowskis amzing BIG tits.
The most well paid person on all of ABC network in the US? Sofia Vergara. Why? She’s attractive with HUGE natural tits. I mean she’s somewhat funny but not a good actress. They could have got a million other latin women to play that part, but they got the one with the huge tits, small waist and big ass.
I’ve been to Colombia where she’s from - there a very few girls with big natural tits there like her, so she’s a rarity.

And also humans naturlaly like rare things or things that are larger than normal aswell.

This could go on an on, the point remains: any tits and big tits is the same evolutionary mechanism of attraction to us, just on a larger scale that some men prioritise more than others.

 

[surplusexistance]

The point is: MEN AND WOMEN SETTLE FOR THE BEST THEY CAN GET WHEN IT COMES TO MATING.
A man is can only get women as good as his options will allow.

I don't want to dismiss this completely, because it's correct. I don't dispute it. Not everyone gets to be with the most attractive woman, you have to play the cards your dealt and if you're a six you've an uphill battle to pull a ten. Even then, when it comes to real life dating, there's more to it than physical looks. Long term relationships cannot be built on looks alone, you have to be compatible as people. I do not at all deny this. It's better to have a partner you get on well with but is a 6/10 in looks than find a 10/10 who is frustrating to live with.

But that doesn't explain porn. Porn lets even the least attractive men possible admire the most attractive women. Real world dating and porn are two very different things. When I'm looking for just a quick wank, I'm not caring about long term future prospects, shared interests, overall compatibility or anything like that. I just want to look at someone attractive doing something arousing that I can't help but cum watching them. And thus, I can seek out the tens that wouldn't give me the time of day if I met them in person.

And it's that pure, lust based attraction we've been discussing. Not long term relationships, not real world dating or settling. Just pure and simple "I am attracted to that woman's boobs" and the mystery of why. And for a while, you and I have danced around the same circle. I think my specific attraction to big boobs is a fetish, you insist that it's just because of an evolutionary mammalian instinct that large breasts indicate fertility and ovulation, and the same back and forth has repeated over and over, with neither of us really accepting the others perspective.

But this is the quote that I think highlights the key issue I've had from your posts:

When it comes to mens magazines and models that men look at, the bulk of them are busty.

The most popular nude model in the world for 5 years was Keeley Hazell (UK) - why? She had beatiful big tits.
The most popular song film clip ever - Blurred Line. Why? Emily Ratajkowskis amzing BIG tits.
The most well paid person on all of ABC network in the US? Sofia Vergara. Why? She’s attractive with HUGE natural tits. I mean she’s somewhat funny but not a good actress. They could have got a million other latin women to play that part, but they got the one with the huge tits, small waist and big ass.
I’ve been to Colombia where she’s from - there a very few girls with big natural tits there like her, so she’s a rarity.

For the past few posts I've been completely stuck under one assumption in this conversation, that you're obsessed with this "it's a sign of ovulation" as the goal, and have been working backwards from there. But the above has finally allowed me to 'get' it, or more specifically highlighted that actually you don't quite get it.

Let's look at some images of some of the "busty" women you're using as examples of the most attractive people being busty:

• Here's Keeley Hazell - Different sources claim different things, but she's somewhere between a 32DD and a 34E
• Here's Emily Ratajkowski - A 32C
• Here's Sofia Vergara - 32F, though there are suggestion that those were implants and she may have since had them reduced or removed.

Is that bigger than average? For a few of them yes. Is that what anyone else on this forum would call big? Fuck no. Those aren't the sort of women the people on here are all that interested in, even if they're the ideal for the average man.

Now look at the sort of women who are actually popular with this group:

• Here's Tessa Fowler - a 32GG in UK sizing, has a thread with over 250 pages.
• Here's Hitomi Tanaka - Listed as currently a 34O having grown from a 32J at her debut, a thread about her goes on for 130 pages
• Here's Abbi Secraa - Her bra size has been kept quiet for years, but most estimates put her in at least LL cup range. A thread about her has over 300 pages
• Here's Milena Velba - a 38K, has a thread of over 460 pages

The women you think of as large breasted, are nowhere close to what most people here would consider large breasted. Most of the women you listed have about a handful of boobs, which ironically backs up what I was saying about people unironically saying "more than a handful is a waste". Conversely, the women I have listed, while still not necessarily the largest breasts in the world, are in the upper regions of breast size - the sort of size only a tiny minority grow to, and sought after less by the average man.

For all your talk about how all breast attraction is solely down to them being "signs of fertility and ovulation", the thing you've missed is that the most popular women with the average man are nowhere close to the biggest women, and the women who are popular here are far bigger than what the majority wants Which means one of three things. Either:

1. The average man actually isn't interested in the biggest breasts possible and has an upper limit, meaning those that are into the biggest breasts possible, have a fetish for it that isn't explained simply by "signs of ovulation". As everyone here can see, the first four women are clearly endowed enough to be fertile, but aren't endowed enough to be attractive to those into actually huge tits.
2. The overwhelming majority of men are lying about their preferences to be socially acceptable, even when they have complete anonymity and simply think women like Sofia Vergara are as big as it gets. They want an Abbi Secraa, but they're somehow embarrassed about it and thus rate the largest socially acceptable size, and society still hasn't figured this out yet, despite millennia of different cultures all having the opportunity.
3. Your definition of 'big' is fundamentally far smaller than mine, and you think that the C-F models you listed really are big, and that the average man has no such thing as "too big", i.e. the average man would be just as contented with a C cup as they would a LL cup, and no-one ever thinks "more than a handful is a waste".

Just to be crystal clear here. I think you are correct for the average man. The average man looks to boobs as an indicator of fertility, and wants that sort of B-DD range because that's indicative of development and ovulation. The sort of guys who do get off to women like those you listed are likely obeying a direct evolutionary biological signal that they're not consciously aware of for a woman with the best chance of giving them children. I do not dispute that science.

But at the same time, anecdotally, I know for myself at least, the women you listed do nothing for me. I need more than a 32F to get off, and my focus during any masturbation will be the size of the breasts ahead of virtually everything else, and I don't accept that I am this way merely because of evolution, because if that were true everyone would be like me and there is no way any of the women you listed would be the highest paid or most sought after anything, as none of those women do anything for me, as they are all too small.

So with all of that in mind can you really still claim that people like myself and others - who seek out sizes far beyond what the majority want, and cannot get off to porn unless it involves these significantly larger than average sizes - are really just eschewing everything else for a preference that goes far beyond minimum viability, or is it actually a fetish? And even if it is the former, where's the line between preference and fetish anyway?

Or are you just going to continue to stick to your guns, insist that it's all just "signs of ovulation and fertility", ignore any evidence that there might be men who fetishize big boobs beyond a mere preference, and dismiss everything that doesn't support your hypothesis?

 

[james cruse]

I don't want to dismiss this completely, because it's correct. I don't dispute it. Not everyone gets to be with the most attractive woman, you have to play the cards your dealt and if you're a six you've an uphill battle to pull a ten. Even then, when it comes to real life dating, there's more to it than physical looks. Long term relationships cannot be built on looks alone, you have to be compatible as people. I do not at all deny this. It's better to have a partner you get on well with but is a 6/10 in looks than find a 10/10 who is frustrating to live with.

But that doesn't explain porn. Porn lets even the least attractive men possible admire the most attractive women. Real world dating and porn are two very different things. When I'm looking for just a quick wank, I'm not caring about long term future prospects, shared interests, overall compatibility or anything like that. I just want to look at someone attractive doing something arousing that I can't help but cum watching them. And thus, I can seek out the tens that wouldn't give me the time of day if I met them in person.

And it's that pure, lust based attraction we've been discussing. Not long term relationships, not real world dating or settling. Just pure and simple "I am attracted to that woman's boobs" and the mystery of why. And for a while, you and I have danced around the same circle. I think my specific attraction to big boobs is a fetish, you insist that it's just because of an evolutionary mammalian instinct that large breasts indicate fertility and ovulation, and the same back and forth has repeated over and over, with neither of us really accepting the others perspective.

But this is the quote that I think highlights the key issue I've had from your posts:

For the past few posts I've been completely stuck under one assumption in this conversation, that you're obsessed with this "it's a sign of ovulation" as the goal, and have been working backwards from there. But the above has finally allowed me to 'get' it, or more specifically highlighted that actually you don't quite get it.

Let's look at some images of some of the "busty" women you're using as examples of the most attractive people being busty:

• Here's Keeley Hazell - Different sources claim different things, but she's somewhere between a 32DD and a 34E
• Here's Emily Ratajkowski - A 32C
• Here's Sofia Vergara - 32F, though there are suggestion that those were implants and she may have since had them reduced or removed.

Is that bigger than average? For a few of them yes. Is that what anyone else on this forum would call big? Fuck no. Those aren't the sort of women the people on here are all that interested in, even if they're the ideal for the average man.

Now look at the sort of women who are actually popular with this group:

• Here's Tessa Fowler - a 32GG in UK sizing, has a thread with over 250 pages.
• Here's Hitomi Tanaka - Listed as currently a 34O having grown from a 32J at her debut, a thread about her goes on for 130 pages
• Here's Abbi Secraa - Her bra size has been kept quiet for years, but most estimates put her in at least LL cup range. A thread about her has over 300 pages
• Here's Milena Velba - a 38K, has a thread of over 460 pages

The women you think of as large breasted, are nowhere close to what most people here would consider large breasted. Most of the women you listed have about a handful of boobs, which ironically backs up what I was saying about people unironically saying "more than a handful is a waste". Conversely, the women I have listed, while still not necessarily the largest breasts in the world, are in the upper regions of breast size - the sort of size only a tiny minority grow to, and sought after less by the average man.

For all your talk about how all breast attraction is solely down to them being "signs of fertility and ovulation", the thing you've missed is that the most popular women with the average man are nowhere close to the biggest women, and the women who are popular here are far bigger than what the majority wants Which means one of three things. Either:

1. The average man actually isn't interested in the biggest breasts possible and has an upper limit, meaning those that are into the biggest breasts possible, have a fetish for it that isn't explained simply by "signs of ovulation". As everyone here can see, the first four women are clearly endowed enough to be fertile, but aren't endowed enough to be attractive to those into actually huge tits.
2. The overwhelming majority of men are lying about their preferences to be socially acceptable, even when they have complete anonymity and simply think women like Sofia Vergara are as big as it gets. They want an Abbi Secraa, but they're somehow embarrassed about it and thus rate the largest socially acceptable size, and society still hasn't figured this out yet, despite millennia of different cultures all having the opportunity.
3. Your definition of 'big' is fundamentally far smaller than mine, and you think that the C-F models you listed really are big, and that the average man has no such thing as "too big", i.e. the average man would be just as contented with a C cup as they would a LL cup, and no-one ever thinks "more than a handful is a waste".

Just to be crystal clear here. I think you are correct for the average man. The average man looks to boobs as an indicator of fertility, and wants that sort of B-DD range because that's indicative of development and ovulation. The sort of guys who do get off to women like those you listed are likely obeying a direct evolutionary biological signal that they're not consciously aware of for a woman with the best chance of giving them children. I do not dispute that science.

But at the same time, anecdotally, I know for myself at least, the women you listed do nothing for me. I need more than a 32F to get off, and my focus during any masturbation will be the size of the breasts ahead of virtually everything else, and I don't accept that I am this way merely because of evolution, because if that were true everyone would be like me and there is no way any of the women you listed would be the highest paid or most sought after anything, as none of those women do anything for me, as they are all too small.

So with all of that in mind can you really still claim that people like myself and others - who seek out sizes far beyond what the majority want, and cannot get off to porn unless it involves these significantly larger than average sizes - are really just eschewing everything else for a preference that goes far beyond minimum viability, or is it actually a fetish? And even if it is the former, where's the line between preference and fetish anyway?

Or are you just going to continue to stick to your guns, insist that it's all just "signs of ovulation and fertility", ignore any evidence that there might be men who fetishize big boobs beyond a mere preference, and dismiss everything that doesn't support your hypothesis?

Yeah, you’ve completely missed it.

First of all - none of those bust sizes for any of those models you mentioned are or were correct, except for Sofia Vergara. All of those women have much bigger cup sizes.

Did you check the names in the ‘DO NOT POST’ section - she had a massive thread here and she requested it not to be post along with thousands of other chesty women on that list. She now has a very popular onlyfans - even know she’s late-30’s and should have done it when she was in her 20’s in her prime.
She was a G/H back in the day (see her scene in ‘Wedding Crashers’) and please consult google - she has the highest selling Playboy issue ever in it’s history and at the time was a model for Guess and I understand was paid more than anyone to do that photoshoot - bit weird for Playboy to pay a no-one with “slightly above average tits” that much money, don’t you think? Guess don’t hire models for their big tits - they hire them for their pretty faces but she also happened to have enourmous tits - which is why she became so famous - a two for one.
I just saw a film that just came out on the weekend - the main star of that major motion Hollywood film is a mexican 50+ year old (Salma Hayak) that can barely act - why did they put her in that film when they have a (US) $100million budget? Answer: Because she has massive tits AND a nice face AND a huge ass and has SOME acting ability.
Salma Hayak is also married to a billionaire that owns all the Louis Vutton & other luxury brands. He could have had anyone - why her? Big tits AND gorgeous face & big ass combination perhaps?

You’re actually making my point for me - Hitomi Tanaka is literally the most popular asian pornstar in the world for the last decade and one of the biggest pornstars globally - when it comes to views and popularity in actual searches and what people actually watch (worldwide - not just in america).
Why do you think Hitomi is so popular? Her striking face or amazing legs? Doubtful.
You’re saying that I’m claiming men are embarrassed - no I’m really not.

The reason that alot of men don’t like those breasty girls you mentioned comes back to what I was saying in earlier posts - many men prioritise other things in addition to breasts.

The cases of breasty women I mentioned above all have more than big tits - they are slim, striking faces, big asses, flat stomachs and can do other things. There are plenty of big chested women in the world, I see them when I go out every weekend.
The big chested women that get famous either:
1. Have unbelievably large chests (and have not much else)
2. Have big chests AND striking faces, big asses and/or slim bodies etc etc etc lots more features
3. Are willing to get paid to show them off - which is more compelling than the other two things above. Some women just don’t want that attention or to get paid to show off their tits.

The big chested women you mention - they’re not more popular with men globally or otherwise because their breasts are TOO big - which is what you keep insisting. Your theory is that men are mostly not interested or disgusted by women that have breasts that are TOO big. That’s not true.
The women you mention like Abi Secra, Tessa Fowler and Milena Velba are wealthy in their own right from big tits but that’s ALL they have.
If those women had legitamately any other good things going for them - like having a very attractive face and being very slim and young with a big ass or all of the above - they would be mega famous - like Hitomi Tanaka is.

Hitomi Tanaka is solely popular for her tits but she also has an attractive face and slim body and like I said, has been the most popular asian porn star for a decade, according to the views and searches.

I’ve seen all of these girls because I’ve been around for longer - you sound like you’re very very young to not know Diora or any of those girls or their popularity, but that’s ok.

You keep saying men want the B-DD range - no, that’s just what most women with attractive faces also have.
Attractive faces are fertility signals aswell - an attractivr face is a far more powerful global fertility/genetic signal than big breasts and big asses.
Again, it comes down to the rarity of strikingly attractive faced women that ALSO have majorly large tits AND are willing to be paid to show them off - that’s an exceedingly small group of women.

There are alot of women though that have gorgeous faces and just big tits that are willing to be paid to show them off and are globally famous for it - but not they are not the giant sized tits on this board (other than Hitomi Tanaka who is globally famous).

So essentially what I’ve been saying, you’ve just proved - here on this board, we prioritise large tits over faces and everything else on the woman because we prioritise the large breasts feature more. That’s not a fetish - just a priority.
Globally men love big tits, but they like attractive/striking faces first, big tits second (or third, depending on the man).

 

[Jigglywiggly]

Mine started in Primary/Elementary school from. Remember the teacher with the biggest tits always use to rest her breasts on my head or rub them against my face when I asked her to check my work.. She corrupted me!

 

[surplusexistance]

Yeah, you’ve completely missed it.

First of all - none of those bust sizes for any of those models you mentioned are or were correct, except for Sofia Vergara. All of those women have much bigger cup sizes.

Did you check the names in the ‘DO NOT POST’ section - she had a massive thread here and she requested it not to be post along with thousands of other chesty women on that list. She now has a very popular onlyfans - even know she’s late-30’s and should have done it when she was in her 20’s in her prime.
She was a G/H back in the day (see her scene in ‘Wedding Crashers’) and please consult google - she has the highest selling Playboy issue ever in it’s history and at the time was a model for Guess and I understand was paid more than anyone to do that photoshoot - bit weird for Playboy to pay a no-one with “slightly above average tits” that much money, don’t you think? Guess don’t hire models for their big tits - they hire them for their pretty faces but she also happened to have enourmous tits - which is why she became so famous - a two for one.
I just saw a film that just came out on the weekend - the main star of that major motion Hollywood film is a mexican 50+ year old (Salma Hayak) that can barely act - why did they put her in that film when they have a (US) $100million budget? Answer: Because she has massive tits AND a nice face AND a huge ass and has SOME acting ability.
Salma Hayak is also married to a billionaire that owns all the Louis Vutton & other luxury brands. He could have had anyone - why her? Big tits AND gorgeous face & big ass combination perhaps?

You’re actually making my point for me - Hitomi Tanaka is literally the most popular asian pornstar in the world for the last decade and one of the biggest pornstars globally - when it comes to views and popularity in actual searches and what people actually watch (worldwide - not just in america).
Why do you think Hitomi is so popular? Her striking face or amazing legs? Doubtful.
You’re saying that I’m claiming men are embarrassed - no I’m really not.

The reason that alot of men don’t like those breasty girls you mentioned comes back to what I was saying in earlier posts - many men prioritise other things in addition to breasts.

The cases of breasty women I mentioned above all have more than big tits - they are slim, striking faces, big asses, flat stomachs and can do other things. There are plenty of big chested women in the world, I see them when I go out every weekend.
The big chested women that get famous either:
1. Have unbelievably large chests (and have not much else)
2. Have big chests AND striking faces, big asses and/or slim bodies etc etc etc lots more features
3. Are willing to get paid to show them off - which is more compelling than the other two things above. Some women just don’t want that attention or to get paid to show off their tits.

The big chested women you mention - they’re not more popular with men globally or otherwise because their breasts are TOO big - which is what you keep insisting. Your theory is that men are mostly not interested or disgusted by women that have breasts that are TOO big. That’s not true.
The women you mention like Abi Secra, Tessa Fowler and Milena Velba are wealthy in their own right from big tits but that’s ALL they have.
If those women had legitamately any other good things going for them - like having a very attractive face and being very slim and young with a big ass or all of the above - they would be mega famous - like Hitomi Tanaka is.

Hitomi Tanaka is solely popular for her tits but she also has an attractive face and slim body and like I said, has been the most popular asian porn star for a decade, according to the views and searches.

I’ve seen all of these girls because I’ve been around for longer - you sound like you’re very very young to not know Diora or any of those girls or their popularity, but that’s ok.

You keep saying men want the B-DD range - no, that’s just what most women with attractive faces also have.
Attractive faces are fertility signals aswell - an attractivr face is a far more powerful global fertility/genetic signal than big breasts and big asses.
Again, it comes down to the rarity of strikingly attractive faced women that ALSO have majorly large tits AND are willing to be paid to show them off - that’s an exceedingly small group of women.

There are alot of women though that have gorgeous faces and just big tits that are willing to be paid to show them off and are globally famous for it - but not they are not the giant sized tits on this board (other than Hitomi Tanaka who is globally famous).

So essentially what I’ve been saying, you’ve just proved - here on this board, we prioritise large tits over faces and everything else on the woman because we prioritise the large breasts feature more. That’s not a fetish - just a priority.
Globally men love big tits, but they like attractive/striking faces first, big tits second (or third, depending on the man).

I'd love to get a survey of how well known Hitomi Tanaka is from the sort of guys who "prioritise faces over large tits". Because I cannot imagine many of the people who like generic porn, even those who specifically like generic porn featuring Asian women, would encounter Hitomi. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong, but I would be surprised to learn I was wrong.

There are definitely men who aren't attracted to big boobs. [1] [2] [3]. Science backs this up [4] There is definitely evidence of a maximum size for the average man.

But, since you clearly propose it's a preference, how often can you forego that preference in porn? How often can you look at porn featuring a woman who is slim, has a striking face, a big ass, and a flat stomach but modest breasts? If it's a preference, surely you could get off to women with AA cups right? After all, you're choosing to prefer one part of the total package over other aspects, so can't you just prefer another part? Can you honestly tell me you can get off to porn where no-one in it is bigger than a B cup?

Lets go in the other direction too. What do you think a fetish actually is? Is a thing for French Maids a fetish? If so, what makes it a fetish, is it the outfit? What about a thing for BBW's? Is that a fetish? After all, it's deviating from the norm, you said yourself, most men are attracted to flat stomachs. But it's not a removable trait like a French Maid's outfit is (at least not immediately removable without diet and excersise). But if BBW's are a fetish, why aren't enormous (as in H cups and beyond, not the average C cup) tits a fetish? Why is it merely a preference to exclusively like women with a cup size that's in the top 0.0...01 percentile? Why is that not a fetish?

This is my fundamental core. Why is liking breasts that are so much bigger than any average, and bigger than most guys want, at the expense of other stereotypically attractive things like faces, butts, slim waistlines and so on not a fetish when it accurately fits into the same criteria as so many other fetishes that are tied to traits an individual possesses? And the only answer you have is "well, most guys like big boobs because of evolution" and you can't accept the notion that actually, the average guy also has an upper limit on boob size

So tell me. Can you actually get off to porn that doesn't include anyone larger than a B cup? And what do you define as a fetish? Those are the two sticking points for me. If the answer to the former is a yes, then you clearly have big boob lust as a preference, something I, and I'm sure many others, don't get that choice in because of our fetish.